Three of Chang's undergraduate honors students (Nicole Hermann, Kavita Srivastava, & Marguerite Bodem) and he have been working on a "fun" project in dealing with the ongoing scientific debate regarding whether or not perfectionism is best viewed as adaptive or maldadptive. For the "fun" study, they asked students and their parents to identify popular living perfectionists. The details are interesting, but need replication, more representative samples, etc. Chang was briefly interviewed on the telephone by Martha Stewart to talk about the results and about perfectionism.